May 2, 2003

Below is Tim Robbins' post-election Nation piece justifying his support of Nader --- with some comments from me to Tim.

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"What I Voted For" by Tim Robbins ["AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU GOT, TIM" by HGL]

The Nation / August 6, 2001 (at:http://www.gp.org/articles/robbins_08_01_01.html)

In mid-June Tim Robbins spoke at the annual dinner of the Liberty Hill Foundation, which funds grassroots organizing in Los Angeles. In recognition of his politically engaged films and his activist commitments, the foundation gave him its Upton Sinclair Award. Following is an edited version of his remarks. --The Nation Editors [WITH ADDED COMMENTS BY HGL]



About a month ago in a New York theater, I was approached by an agitated older couple. "We hope you're happy now," they said. "With what?" I said, suspecting the answer they gave. "Your Nader gave us Bush." [YES HE DID, TIM. BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, NADER WANTED TO GIVE US BUSH -- BUT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.]

Now, this wasn't the first time since the election that I had been attacked by irate liberals who saw my support of Ralph Nader as a betrayal, as blasphemy, as something tantamount to pissing on the Constitution. Before the election Susan and I had been attacked in the Op-Ed pages of the New York Times; we'd received intimidating faxes from a leading feminist admonishing us for our support for Nader. [GOOD FOR HER. YOU'RE FOR FREE SPEECH, RIGHT?] A week before the election we'd gotten a phone call from a Hollywood power broker, who urged us to call Nader and ask him to withdraw from the race. [GOOD FOR HIM TOO. AT LEAST YOU'VE GOT SOME SENSIBLE PEOPLE WHO CAN PHONE AND SAY YOU'RE SCREWING UP] If he did so, this mogul said, he would contribute $100,000 to the Green Party. I told him that no phone call from us would sway this man, [BECAUSE NADER'S A MADMAN, TIM, AN EXTRAORDINARILY SMART ONE, WHO WAS OUT TO PUNISH THE CLINTON-GORE DEMOCRATS FOR IGNORING AND DISSING HIM.] That this was not a politics of personal influence and deal-making [WHICH NADER HAD DONE ALL HIS LIFE] and that the Green Party probably wouldn't take his contribution [MAYBE]. After the election I read an article in which a famous actor criticized supporters of Nader, calling them limousine liberals of the worst kind, unconcerned with the poor. [SO WHAT? ACTORS SAY STUPID THINGS ALL THE TIME. CONSIDER SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE.]

It was not easy to support Nader. In no uncertain terms the message sent to us by colleagues and business associates was that our support of Nader would cost us. Will it? I don't know. After the election one of our kids was admonished in public by the aforementioned Hollywood mogul. And who knows what fabulous parties we haven't been invited to. [COME ON TIM, WHAT HAS THE ELECTION COST THE POOR, SCHOOLS, CIVIL LIBERTIES, THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHERS?]

So, what to make of all this? [YES, I'M SURE YOU ARE CONFUSED] As someone who has voted defensively in the past and at one time recognized all Republicans as evil incarnate, I completely understand the reactions of these people.[GOOD. THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS TALK]. I like these people. Eight years ago I would have said the same thing to me. But a lot has happened that has shifted the way I think. After talking with friends in Seattle after protests there, after going with Susan to Washington, DC, and talking with activists at the IMF-World Bank protests, after talking with 13-year-olds handing out pamphlets on sweatshops outside a Gap on Fifth Avenue, after watching the steady drift to the right of the Democratic Party under Clinton, I have come to the realization that I would rather vote my conscience than vote strategically. [EVEN IF IT MEANS HAVING RIGHT-WING PSYCHOPATHS LIKE BUSH, CHENEY, ASHCROFT,& RUMSFELD IN POWER AND RUNNING THINGS? TIM, HAVE YOU REALLY THOUGHT THIS THROUGH?]

There is something truly significant happening today. A new movement is slowly taking hold on college campuses, among left-wing groups in Europe and human rights groups throughout the world. The protests in Seattle in 1999, the IMF-World Bank protests in Washington, DC, in 2000, and the continuing presence of agitation wherever corporate entities gather to determine global economic and environmental policies do not, as the media portray them, merely reflect the work of fringe radicals and anarchists. [TO SOME EXTENT THEY DO, IN SOME WAYS NOT] Such events arise out of a broad-based coalition of students, environmentalists, unions, farmers, scientists and other concerned citizens who view the decisions made in these cabals as the frontline in the battle for the future of this planet. This is a movement in its infancy that I believe is as morally compelling as the early abolitionists fighting to end slavery in the eighteenth century; as important as the labor activists advocating workplace safety and an end to child labor in the early 1850s; as undeniable as the scientists who first alerted the American public to widespread abuse of our environment by corporate polluters. All of these movements met with overwhelming condemnation by both political parties, were ignored and then criticized by the press, while their adherents were harassed, arrested and sometimes killed by police and other agencies of the government. [YES, TIM, MUCH HAS BEEN WON BY POPULAR MOVEMENTS PRESSURING THE POWERS THAT BE, ESPECIALLY TIMID LIBERALS] But because of their tenacity, we were eventually able in this country to create laws that ended slavery and established a minimum wage, Social Security, unemployment insurance, environmental responsibility and workplace safety. [BUT TIM BABY, NOW CHENEY ET ALL WANT TO ROLL BACK WHAT HAS BEEN WON, AND GO FURTHER. YOU AND SUSAN NEED TO COME TO GRIPS WITH HOW POWERFUL AND EXTREME RIGHT- WING REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME, REALLY! THEY ARE RUNNING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE WHITE HOUSE, CONGRESS AND THE SUPREME COURT. BUT RALPH WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT THEM WOULD HE? -- BECAUSE HE HAD TO MAKE HIS STUPID TWEELDLEDEE-TWEEDLEDUM POINT. ARE YOU GETTING THIS?]

Despite years of progress in our own country on all these issues, we now face a resurgence of child and slave labor, of unsafe working conditions, of sweatshops and of wanton environmental destruction in the Third World wrought by the very same corporate ethos that resisted for years the progressive gains in the United States. In the interest of profit margins and economic growth, our corporations have reached out to the global economy and found a way to return to 1850 on all of these issues. Enabled and emboldened by free trade and the protections granted by NAFTA, GATT and the WTO, we have farmed these problems out to other countries. [PREACH BROTHER, I'M WITH YOU HERE] Amid our booming [NO LONGER BOOMING FOR THE REST OF US, TIM] economy this is an uncomfortable concept to embrace. It certainly is not being written about in our official journals. [HAVE YOU BEEN READING WHAT PAUL KRUGMAN SAYS?] But it is being shouted on the streets, and the protesters' arguments bear an incontrovertible moral weight. Ralph Nader was the only candidate to talk about these issues and to embrace this new movement as his own. That is why Susan and I voted for him. [AND PERFORMED AT HIS RALLIES AND ENCOURAGED LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME, RIGHT?]

Last year's election brought us to an important crossroads. [YOU BETCHA!] The closeness of the race lifted a rock to expose the corrupt, manipulative and illegal way in which elections are run in this country. [PRETTY AWFUL, HUH. BUT TIM, BUT THESE RIGHT-WINGERS WANT TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE] Indeed, the election year's most surreal and humorous moment was when Fidel Castro offered to send observers to monitor our election. Aside from the obvious voter fraud in Florida, a brief spotlight was focused on the racist practices that have accompanied elections for years. Whether it's the roadblocks outside polling places in African-American voting districts or the disappearance of African-American names from voting registers, the ineffective and antiquated voting machines in low-income voting districts or the exposure of the Supreme Court as a partisan political institution, the picture is the same. Powerful people in the American ruling class fear democracy. [AND YOU HELPED THEM GAIN THE WHITE HOUSE, TIM.]

There was a time when I would have said that it is the "evil" Republicans who fear democracy. But the sad realization I have come to after the 2000 election, and after experiencing the reactions to our support for Nader, is that you can count the Democrats in that bunch, too. Not only do they fear democracy but many in the Democratic Party elite fear, if not outright despise, idealism. I have lost a great deal of respect for a party that admonished its progressive wing, that had no tolerance for dissension in its ranks and sought to demonize the most important and influential consumer advocate of the past fifty years. But we shouldn't be surprised. [YES, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS WHAT IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. IN IMPORTANT WAYS IT IS AS IT HAS BEEN SINCE FDR AND TRUMAN: A CENTRIST, CORPORATE STRUCTURE WITH A LIBERAL WING]. A similar reaction occurred earlier in this century when another leading advocate, Upton Sinclair, was running for governor of California. The power brokers of the Democratic Party did everything they could to isolate him. If they gave any support at all to his candidacy, it was halfhearted, while some even endorsed his Republican opponent, Frank Merriam. And the press? They demonized him, said he was anti-business, said he was an egomaniac. Sound familiar? [I AGREE WITH YOU THAT DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED IN MANY YEARS. BUT TIM, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE CHANGED A LOT. BEGINNING WITH REAGAN IN 1980, THEY'VE BECOME HUGE, WEALTHY, FEROCIOUS FIRE-BREATHING POLITICAL MONSTERS DETERMINED TO MAKE THE WORLD OVER IN THEIR IMAGE. AND SO NOW YOU'D RATHER HAVE THEM RUNNING EVERYTHING BECAUSE .... IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?]

Most of the Nader supporters I met were the real deal, people who have dedicated their lives to advocacy. These were the people at the center of the struggle around controversial, difficult issues; their political engagement was way beyond and deserving of much more respect than that of many people who would wind up criticizing them. [I TOO LOVED THE SPIRIT AND ENTHUSIASM THE NADER CAMPAIGN TAPPED. BUT IT TAPPED WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE, IT DID NOT CREATE IT. AND SANER MOVEMENTS CAN TAP IT TOO. TIM, NOBLE HEARTS DO NOT EQUAL CLEAR THINKING. ARE YOU REMEMBERING THIS?]

The judgmental and patronizing attitude of those in the generation that fought to end the Vietnam War and work for women's rights is disappointing and discouraging, but understandable. But I am not of the opinion that Bill Clinton was the best this generation had to offer, [NOR I, AND CERTAINLY NOT POOR, WOODEN, CONFUSED AL GORE] and I would like to believe there is a dormant power still left in these progressives [OF COURSE THERE IS] who have yet to acknowledge the importance of the new movement growing around them. I would like to believe that the children of the Vietnam era who protested that unjust war were concerned with more than self-preservation, with issues beyond not losing their lives to the war. I would like to believe that feminists--recognizing which gender works predominantly in sweatshops and which gender is predominantly sold into slavery--would acknowledge these issues as their own, and begin looking beyond reproductive rights as the only litmus test for a candidate. I would like to believe that higher ideals drive all of us, ideals that have to do with the world at large. [TIM, ELECTORAL POLITICS ARE ABOUT REAL-WORLD POWER AND WHO HAS IT, NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IS TRUE. WE GO FORWARD WITH HOPES AND DREAMS, BUT WE TRY HARD TO LOOK CLEARLY AND ACCURATELY AT THE WORLD WE CONFRONT. RIGHT?

The young people who have helped launch a quest for an alternative party, one that will not compromise this planet's future for campaign donations from corporate sugar daddies, believe the Democratic and Republican parties are united on the major issues of our time. [TIM, YOU NEED TO STUDY THE HISTORY OF THIRD PARTIES TO UNDERSTAND HOW TINY THE CHANCES OF SUCCESS ARE, AND HOW LARGE THE COST CAN BE. NADER'S VOTES IN FLORIDA BROUGHT FIERCE RIGHT-WINGERS TO POWER. READ A LITTLE OF THE NEW BOOK, "CHANGING THE POWERS THAT BE: HOW THE LEFT CAN STOP LOSING AND WIN" BY G. WILLIAM DOMHOFF (at: http://www.rowmanlittlefield.com/). THERE ARE REAL ALTERNATIVES TO NADER'S KAMIKAZE STRATEGY WHICH INCLUDED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, DEFEATING PAUL WELLSTONE.]

This new movement is a rejection of politics as usual, a rejection that has frightening implications when you consider the progressive community's reaction to it. Have we become our parents? [TIM, YOUR PARENTS WERE VERY LIBERAL AND SO WERE MINE. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?] Are we the Establishment? [NO, BUT YOU HELPED THE FAR RIGHT WING OF THE ESTABLISHMENT SEIZE THE STATE] Are we now the status quo that so cynically rejects those with ideals and dreams, that says to the idealist that there is no room for that in this election, that one must vote strategically, that we can't afford our dreams, that we must accept the lesser of two evils? [YOU BET YOUR BIPPY WE WANT MODERATE DEMS RATHER THAN THIS CHENEY-ASHCROFT-RUMSFELD MOB OF GANGSTERS] The couple in the theater, the Op-Ed columnist, the Hollywood mogul and the actor beat their drums once every four years for their candidate and talk about their opponents as if their election will end civilization as we know it. [TIM HONEY, SINCE THE FALL OF RICHARD NIXON, THE RIGHT WING HAS BEEN GROWING STRONGER AND FIERCER. THIS MUCH IS TRUE] This is a gay Op-Ed columnist who would not vote for the one candidate who unashamedly supported same-sex marriage; this is a mogul who would not be having any more sleepovers and private screenings in a Republican White House; this is an actor professing to care about the poor who couldn't seem to find his way to the picket line to support his own union's strike. [TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY RACIST SCUMBALLS VOTED FOR FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT? FOR ADLAI STEVENSON? FOR JOHN KENNEDY?]

I don't respect armchair activists. [BUT YOU DO RESPECT AIR-HEAD ACTIVISTS?] I respect the kids outside The Gap who don't compromise. I'm not ready to cede their idealism and passion and vision, to compromise their integrity for a Democratic Party that aspires to be centrist, for a Democratic Party that supports the death penalty, that dismantled the welfare system while increasing corporate welfare, that helped create the economic system that tears at the heart of the labor movement. [TIM, VOTING FOR LESS EVIL DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LOVE THE PITIFUL CHOICES YOU HAVE. THE QUESTION IS, WHICH REGIME PROVIDES BETTER TERRAIN FOR EDUCATING PEOPLE --- WHEN MODERATE DEMS HAVE POWER OR WHEN RIGHT-WING THUGS CONTROL THE MESSAGE OF THE DAY, WEEK, YEAR, APPOINT JUDGES, MAKE WARS, ETC?]

How embarrassing it must be for Democratic senators that the embodiment of political courage in this country is now a Republican from Vermont. [WHAT ABOUT PAUL WELLSTONE, TIM? WASN'T HE MUCH BETTER THAN A RECENTLY RECOVERING REPUBLICAN? WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, AND JOHN CONYERS'S RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THOSE OF LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE LONG BEEN ACTIVISTS FOR THE FORCES OF GOOD? TIM, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO START LISTENING TO THEM! YOU'VE OVERDOSED ON NADER'S NONSENSE.] Maybe it's time to stop demonizing people for their political affiliations and to follow the example of the man who risked his political future to follow the voice inside him. [....AND NADER'S INNER VOICE SAID: "PUNISH THE DEMS, PUNISH THE DEMS." AND SO HE DID.] To reject politics as usual and follow our grassroots hearts; to form alliances in unlikely places. [YUP, NADER LED YOU INTO AN UNUSUAL ALLIANCE WITH THE BUSH-CHENEY ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS CERTAINLY AN UNLIKELY PLACE FOR SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN CIVIL LIBERTIES AND SOCIAL JUSTICE TO GO.]

It's a long struggle for justice. It is grassroots movements that create real change, and no grassroots movement ever got anywhere compromising its ideals. Real change won't happen at Washington cocktail parties or in the Lincoln Bedroom. It is arduous and messy, and takes relentless agitation. It took over a hundred years of advocacy to eliminate slavery, over a hundred years to put an end to child labor and over a hundred years to establish the minimum wage. This movement is in its infancy, but it is alive and it's not going away. Its door is wide open to you. It's a frightening threshold to cross but an essential one.

[TIM, RALPH NADER HAS MADE YOU A REAL-WORLD POLITICAL IDIOT, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MOVIE POLITICS AND NOT ENOUGH REAL POLITICS.

TIM, I'M SORRY, BUT ON THE QUESTION OF NADER AND ELECTION 2000, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION. SOME NADERITES HAVE REALIZED THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGY WAS A MISTAKE, BUT NOT YOU. IF OR WHEN YOU EVER RECOGNIZE THAT NADER WANTED TO BLOW UP THE ELECTION TO PUNISH THE DEMOCRATS, WILL THAT CHANGE YOUR MIND? OR DID YOU SUSPECT IT ALL ALONG?

YES, NADER'S CAMPAIGN BRILLIANTLY TAPPED INTO AND MOBILIZED A REAL PROGRESSIVE AND HUMANE POLITICAL LONGING, VISION AND MOVEMENT. AND IF NADER HAD JUST PULLED OUT IN A FLORIDA AND A FEW OTHER STATES HE WOULD HAVE HAD AN ENORMOUS POSITIVE EFFECT. BUT TIM, NADER DID THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, HE CAMPAIGNED IN FLORIDA JUST BEFORE ELECTION DAY. YES, FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL REASONS, NADER UNWAVERINGLY DIRECTED HIS CAMPAIGN STRAIGHT AT A VERY LOONY AND VERY DESTRUCTIVE GOAL: DEFEATING THE DEMOCRATS. AND, REMARKABLY, HE SUCCEEDED. HE GOT WHAT HE WANTED. NADER HAS NEVER SAID "OOPS." HE'S NEVER SAID "SORRY 'BOUT THAT," AND NEITHER HAVE YOU.

AND NOW WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT NADER DID -- INCLUDING NOW THE BUSHIES WAR IN IRAQ!

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LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO CHAT AGAIN. I THINK THAT SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GOING TO RECOVER FROM THIS. YOU'LL BE FINE AND EVENTUALLY YOU' LL REDISCOVER YOURSELF AS A SANE AMERICAN RADICAL WORKING IN THE WORLD WE REALLY LIVE IN.

GIVE MY BEST TO SUSAN,

 

- Harry

 


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